Thank you I hadn't heard of chaster I will have a look into itI haven't necessarily had an issue with the one I own, though I don't wear it long term in any way. I find it fun as a 'play cage', but not an actual denial cage. I usually wear a holy trainer V5, but I am in the market for a full belt from one of the big pricey manufacturers. If you are in search of a key holder, have you checked out chaster as a possible alternative? Their discord community is very active.